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thanks for joining me everybody for this

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edition of UAP news there's a lot going

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on between the Mojave triangle or flares

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or object or whatever it is the NASA

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public UAP meeting that lasted for hours

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and we also have kind of little things

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happening too in the background that I

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think are important that I'll highlight

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as well as far as the Mojave triangle

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goes and Jeremy Corbell in that case I

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think

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you know there's a lot I could say but

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not a lot of it I guess would be overly

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positive

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um we've heard from Witnesses we don't

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have any names from those Witnesses they

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all say it was a craft but there's a

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whole lot of other people that saw this

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thing that we haven't heard from are

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there any people that saw the lights and

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really didn't think it was a big deal

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when we've only heard from maybe 10 or

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less of the witnesses I don't think we

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can really judge anything based off for

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that and still Mick West made with the

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flares from Jeremy corbell's video

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is a perfect match and so far the best

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evidence we have as far as determining

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what the objects are I believe the NASA

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UAP public meeting followed along the

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same vein as the Aero public hearings to

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be quite honest with you now there were

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a couple people that stood out to me in

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that group that seemed more interested

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and took the topic a little bit more

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serious you know than others did like

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Scott Kelly it was actually the

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International Space Station was

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convinced we flew by a UFO it was Bart

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Simpson I don't think it's helpful to

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have people like that on the board since

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one of the big takeaways from the

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meeting was how stigma still exists

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strongly how people that were

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participating in this NASA panel were

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being harassed because of it seemingly

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from people like their colleagues and

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probably the public chunker Patrick said

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he was harassed quite a bit after the

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last hearing the one thing I can say

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about this is and whoever is listening

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if if you've done that I doubt it but

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we're not going to get anywhere with

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this if we just harass people that look

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into the topic

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now the topic is very used to that

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happening

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and so right now is a huge turning point

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where we can either push through that

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stigma and come out on the other side

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or allow the topic to continue to be

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stigmatized

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some of the smartest people

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vocally saying it's a problem and that

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we need to fight against it and I think

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that's great spheres seen all over the

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world via Shanker Patrick what are these

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fears what do we know about them is it

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an inkblot type of sphere where it looks

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like a sphere but it's so far away could

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be anything from a balloon to a plane

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to a real sphere I'd like more

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information on specific sphere cases as

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once again the Robertson panel redeemed

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itself and came back from the dead

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showed up at the NASA meeting and tried

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to show a mystery via airplanes and then

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unveiled the mystery as quite mundane

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this is a newly released uh video and

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was unable to intercept them is because

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after further analysis it was shown that

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those objects were actually much farther

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away from the P3 than they thought which

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is you know something right out of the

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Robertson panel book

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literally and then someone debunked the

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go fast video or said it wasn't go

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faster it was go slow basically and you

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know what

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I don't have that much interest in those

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Navy videos as as other people do like

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maybe it is slow maybe other people

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thought it was fast but it is slow maybe

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there's confusion there

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apparently there's a longer video where

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it makes a 90 degree turn Chris melon

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said there was a longer video of it is

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that the case or is that just also one

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of those uh what a coincidence type of

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hopefully time will tell but again

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regardless we're here NASA at historic

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public UAP meeting these people don't

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know what's going on they're working

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with different data or not all the data

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you know if we're to listen to other

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people well NASA says they're working

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with you know unclassified stuff

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whatever Shanker Patrick works with some

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classified stuff but apparently not

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enough

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it's clear that they want to just forget

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the history everyone wants to just

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forget the history is it damn shame just

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erasing

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the entire history of this subject and

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just focusing on them now they say

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there's no evidence of anything that's

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you know not human so why would they go

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look at past cases if that's what they

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think they're not going to concern

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themselves with that because they don't

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really believe it so our next story

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actually has to do with Ryan Graves the

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pilot that's actually been very public

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about uh uaps and has done plenty of

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interviews and so on and so forth him

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and other pilots and other people

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I guess their plan is to push for

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Aviation safety in relation to uaps NBC

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news as the U.S government expands UFO

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investigations new group forms for

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pilots who spot them the first active

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duty military pilot to come forward to

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Congress about his experience with

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so-called unexplained aerial phenomenon

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is starting in first of its kind

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non-profit group to support other pilots

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who see things that can't explain he

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said airline passengers are encouraged

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to report suspicious activity in the

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name of National Security but the pilots

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on those same planes often face

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professional stigma and institutional

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obstacles and Reporting unexplained

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aerial phenomena or uaps that could

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represent National Security threats in

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the age of drones and spy balloons

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Aviation Administration has no mechanism

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for Pilots to report uaps the term

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preferred to UFOs instead directing them

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to civilian UFO groups that are often

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dismissed as the domain of cranks and

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conspiracy theorists Americans for safe

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Aerospace which is officially launching

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as the first pilot LED advocacy

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organization dedicated to uaps seeks to

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change that co-founded and run by former

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Navy fighter pilot Ryan Graves the group

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which provided exclusive details to NBC

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who witness unexplained events the group

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better reporting mechanisms serve as a

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hub for pilot whistleblowers and

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advocate for more Disclosure by military

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unidentified objects in our airspace

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and national security issue but Pilots

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and the respect they deserve Graves said

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encountering UAP nearly every day and

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nothing was being done you can read the

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rest of that story by clicking on the

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link in the description of this video

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now this is a very interesting idea of

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putting together a group specifically

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for Pilots to come forward with their

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experiences and share what they had

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encountered stuff like this has existed

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before you know and maybe not pilot

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specific but there's been a nightcap and

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National UFO Reporting Center in kufos

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with Alan heineck all sorts of different

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civilian uh organizations but the

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difference with this one is it's

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pilot-led and pilot specific so they're

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specifically reaching out for people in

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the air who have had these different

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experiences and rumor has it there's

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include multiple Witnesses so hopefully

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that happens I think it's a fantastic

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idea actually

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um if you want Pilots comfortable coming

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forward why not put a respectable highly

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accomplished Aviator in front of them to

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talk to about it who's also experienced

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strange stuff and completely understands

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perfect and I think that's a great idea

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because the more this group is actually

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utilized the more pressure will be on

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the government to actually be

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transparent with everything that's going

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on you know because they'll be fighting

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against Pilots coming out and speaking

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all the time because it does happen

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a lot more than people think interesting

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things happen on Twitter sometimes and

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it's it's good to keep track for me

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personally at least of what happens on

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there not for the drama aspect of it but

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for news Twitter these days is actually

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the quickest place to get informed on

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world news and sometimes you just get

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weird things like this that include Lou

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Elizondo who hasn't done an interview in

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a very long time which is

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you know his decision obviously he did

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so many in the past that you can't blame

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the guy but an anonymous some person on

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Twitter who I don't know that's why I

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was going to say Anonymous but it maybe

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he is because he just has a name on here

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it says Dustin Lou Elizondo so NASA just

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came out and crapped all over your go

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fast video are you ever going to come

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out of retirement on this subject and

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shut these debunkers down WTF man your

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silence on this issue is deafening comes

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out and just responds to this one random

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person and says Dustin what you are

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seeing are the desperate last throws of

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bureaucracy before the real conversation

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begins we've come a long way in five

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years in the same breath NASA is

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supporting the creation of a permanent

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UAP effort it was finally admitted that

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orbs are being seen all over the world

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and maneuvering an uncharacteristic ways

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and that stigma is still a major problem

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also that NASA's staff are being

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harassed is reinforcing the stigma my

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perspective is this is historic I shared

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that perspective as well and that

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doesn't mean one thing or another it

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just means it's a historic he says

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please know that I am not retired from

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this and working harder than ever behind

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the scenes the fruits of which will

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become apparent in the near term

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my track record hopefully speaks for

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itself

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hope you have a great and pleasant week

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what a nice guy

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doesn't actually responded thanks for

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the response in your opinion is the

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confirmation of the metallic spheres a

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soft opening basically for what's really

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to come he says great question I think

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it's pretty evident NASA nor the US

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government knows what the hell is going

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on regarding these orbs chances are the

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same holds true for many other

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incursions and you know to me from the

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outside and watching like this NASA

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thing or or even the arrow thing it is

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clear that these people don't know what

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the hell is going on and there may be

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people that do that aren't talking that

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need to because we are wasting a mass

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amount of time and money going about

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this process

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while good valid information that could

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be rather enlightening is not being

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shared

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continuing on this fear tip you know me

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I like to go back in time and look at

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cases and see if there's anything that

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lines up with what we're hearing today

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and as we know metallic spheres around

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spheres whatever you want to call them

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make up a large quantity of the UAP

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sightings that are in arrows Holdings

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apparently they go from every anywhere

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from stationery to Mach 2. I went back

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in the records and tried to find

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a case Blue Book maybe at least one that

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sounded kind of similar here's what we

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got 29 September 1965 afsc right Pat the

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following UFO report was received from

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District intelligence office 11th Naval

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District San Diego California and is

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forwarded in accordance with paragraph

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13B AFR 200-2 is amended description of

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the object spherical basketball

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silver with bright orange glow

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particularly around edges absolute round

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and appeared to have the color of

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aluminum or dull steel left wispy trail

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of fire from the top and bottom of the

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sphere no sound it suddenly appeared in

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the sky moving from Northwest to

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Southwest was not too bright at first

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but immediately became very bright

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suddenly went dark and was gone and it

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was observed for at least 10 seconds

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date of sighting September 10th 1965

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exceptionally clear night full moon no

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clouds are restriction to visibility the

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witness is a aircraft maintenance

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officer

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U.S Navy Los Alamitos California 23

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years Aviation experience qualified

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reciprocating and jet engine pilot 2500

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hours

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flying time so quite experienced so the

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person that wrote this report their name

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was Lieutenant Colonel Bertram Cowan

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lieutenant colonel in the United States

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Air Force Chief exploitation branch

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directorate of intelligence you know the

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interesting thing sometimes about these

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Blue Book files is you have all sorts of

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different people like chiming in sending

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reports forwarding memos whatever and

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this exploitation branch is not one you

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see all the time he said I'm told that a

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rocket was launched at Vandenberg Air

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Force Base that night I'm positive that

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this sighting was not of a rocket or any

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component thereof nor was it a

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conventional aircraft or balloon it was

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a large metal sphere that was clear and

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distinct that appeared to be glowing

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from high speed in the atmosphere in the

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end he said there was a small

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possibility it could have been a weather

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balloon as they're located next to El

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Toro which is a Marine base in

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California but obviously the description

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given and Bertram really didn't think

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that was the case and it neither do I

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it's an old case I found this I believe

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this is a aerial phenomenon research

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organization publication but I can't be

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positive but I found it in a blue book

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file following sphere is found in in

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early April

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1963 newspapers were printing the news

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of a mysterious metal sphere found by Mr

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Jay McClure on station property near

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broken Hill

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New South Wales and Australia on the 8th

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of April it was shipped to Broken Hill

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for examination by scientists there it

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could not be cut or broken into by the

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use of a filer hacksaw metallurgist at

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the zinc Corporation said it had been

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subjected to Great Heat

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14 inches in diameter weighed 12 pounds

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and was spherical and Hollow McClure who

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found the object said that no one had

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been in the area of the sheep station

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where the object was found for about 50

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years

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after the initial news release from

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broken Hill which contained the

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foregoing information the object was

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shipped to the weapons research

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establishment in Salisbury for

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examination Mr R Pitman Hooper the zinc

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corporation's manager refused to make

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any real comment on reports that the

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corporation's metallurgists at broken

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Hill had determined via x-ray

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spectrographic examination that the

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object contained berlinium titanium and

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magnesium and had only this to say all I

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can say at this stage Zar scientists

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have had a look at the object that any

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test they may have made so far are

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inconclusive and that the sphere has

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been placed in the charge of a senior

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army officer the director of the broken

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Hill division of the U of New South

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Wales Mr TK Hogan on the 30th of April A

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dispatch out of Canberra said

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that this fear had definitely been

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identified as a part of a space vehicle

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it went on to explain that Mr Allen

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fairhall Australian Supply Minister told

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the House of Representatives that this

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fear was identified as a part of his

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space vehicle and then Australia it was

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communicating with the overseas

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governments from whose spacecraft it

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might have come that dispatch also said

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that the sphere carried the faint

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outline of a hammer and sickle the

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Soviet emblem fairholz said this fear

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had not been opened as it might contain

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something of scientific interest it's a

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million one chance that a piece of

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orbiting Hardware should survive the

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temperature of re-entry and be recovered

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in one piece he said various other

418
00:17:07,429 --> 00:17:05,459
newspapers carried the news that

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scientists unnamed had determined that

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the object was a pressure vessel from a

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space vehicle designed to withstand

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great pressure apparently no information

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was released concerning the mystery

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sphere but a small article on the Omaha

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World Herald Nebraska USA for 2nd

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00:17:24,829 --> 00:17:22,799
October 1963 carried the information

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that the first fear had not been

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identified when the SEC one was found in

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October about 35 miles from the location

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of the first one the press release

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divulged the fact that despite inquiries

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abroad the Australian government had not

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located the origin of the first fear the

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second sphere was described as 16 inches

435
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in diameter and weighing 18 pounds it

436
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was also said to be a stainless steel

437
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ball on which a valve had been turned

438
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into a fuse Mass apparently as a result

439
00:17:55,310 --> 00:17:53,039
of intense heat it is interesting to

440
00:17:57,470 --> 00:17:55,320
note that to this date no definite news

441
00:17:59,810 --> 00:17:57,480
concerning the metallic makeup of that

442
00:18:01,549 --> 00:17:59,820
first fear has been released nor has

443
00:18:03,529 --> 00:18:01,559
there been any further description or

444
00:18:05,510 --> 00:18:03,539
clarification of the physical properties

445
00:18:07,190 --> 00:18:05,520
of the second this brings to mind

446
00:18:10,010 --> 00:18:07,200
another mysterious object which was

447
00:18:11,990 --> 00:18:10,020
found in South Africa in early 1962.

448
00:18:13,669 --> 00:18:12,000
this subject was identified as a

449
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spherical titanium pressure tank from

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the fuel tank of an LS rocket

451
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there was no doubt that this object at

452
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least according to press reports

453
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belong to a U.S space vehicle

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the question now arises concerning the

455
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reason that the Australian spheres have

456
00:18:31,610 --> 00:18:29,160
not been identified the most recent

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release States unequivocally that the

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Spheres has been disowned by Russia and

459
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the U.S

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than once

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[Music]

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foreign

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[Music]

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a lot of other interesting cases that

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00:19:02,150 --> 00:19:00,600
involve metal balls or Chrome balls or

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whatever you want to call it Metals

467
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fears metallic spheres

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it's your name you choose what you want

469
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to call it pick it go with it I don't

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care dating Back to December 1949 North

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Carolina unconventional and unidentified

472
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aircraft cited was actually described as

473
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a metal ball it was first reported

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flying West over town at about 1645 by a

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doctor of Hamlet North Carolina and

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another witness they reported the ship

477
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to the local airport where an overseas

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News correspondent took off in a light

479
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plane to chase the craft a former Air

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Force pilot said he saw the Craft only

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once from the air and that it definitely

482
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was not a saucer shaped he said he was

483
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unable to overtake it but from the

484
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distance it appeared to be a large metal

485
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ball without any external fittings such

486
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as our ordinarily carried by free

487
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balloons although The Observers said the

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craft didn't seem very fast it did

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disappear when it got to the sun June

490
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1955 we have Kenneth Wick at Washington

491
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even though the Air Force blew this guy

492
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off they blew everybody off honestly

493
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they didn't want to investigate the case

494
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because it was reported a year after the

495
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sighting fair enough but it was reported

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by this civilian in Washington uh that

497
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he saw a large shiny metal ball and it

498
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appeared low Over The Observer came to a

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stop then left with a high rate of speed

500
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states he heard a chug chug sound he

501
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then reported it to the FBI who then

502
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gave it to Air Force OSI now they didn't

503
00:20:38,390 --> 00:20:36,480
give everything to OSI so I thought that

504
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was pretty interesting that is the Air

505
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Force's office of special investigations

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probably the most interesting and my

507
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favorite one comes out of Liberty Ohio

508
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February 6

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1965. we have a metallic sphere that was

510
00:20:55,370 --> 00:20:52,500
actually found and submitted to the Air

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Force for analyzing this guy's kid

512
00:21:00,110 --> 00:20:57,960
apparently was swimming in a lake and

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00:21:03,350 --> 00:21:00,120
they saw the metal ball and I guess they

514
00:21:05,750 --> 00:21:03,360
saw it for a while but it was too deep

515
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for him for a few days to actually get

516
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it apparently it wasn't this day the

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ball was like 29 pounds I believe if

518
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you've ever had a bowling ball 16 pound

519
00:21:16,310 --> 00:21:14,160
bowling ball it's kind of heavy the Air

520
00:21:18,529 --> 00:21:16,320
Force materials laboratory actually

521
00:21:20,210 --> 00:21:18,539
tested this thing which is always so

522
00:21:22,730 --> 00:21:20,220
interesting to me because if they think

523
00:21:24,470 --> 00:21:22,740
it's prosaic there's nothing to these

524
00:21:27,289 --> 00:21:24,480
weird things people find why would they

525
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go through all this hassle to test the

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materials sphere is an aluminum 195

527
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casting alloy casting that has been

528
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rough machined at both ends and at the

529
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equator external finish was a black

530
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paint set screws or steel one quarter

531
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diameter 28 threads per inch with allen

532
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wrench head fitting recognized as

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standard American steel alloy is of the

534
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4100 series type this container was

535
00:21:54,649 --> 00:21:52,320
apparently designed for compressive type

536
00:21:56,750 --> 00:21:54,659
loads the design is such that would not

537
00:21:59,990 --> 00:21:56,760
be suitable for internal gas pressure

538
00:22:02,870 --> 00:22:00,000
because of the relatively weak method of

539
00:22:04,789 --> 00:22:02,880
closure seems kind of boring right well

540
00:22:06,710 --> 00:22:04,799
I'm not saying it isn't but it does get

541
00:22:08,930 --> 00:22:06,720
more interesting the further they get

542
00:22:10,549 --> 00:22:08,940
into testing this the more theories they

543
00:22:12,890 --> 00:22:10,559
come up with as far as what it could be

544
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for the less answers they actually have

545
00:22:17,690 --> 00:22:15,419
they thought possibly it was used for

546
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Waste Disposal container for radioactive

547
00:22:22,190 --> 00:22:19,799
materials however it would not be an

548
00:22:24,110 --> 00:22:22,200
effective container from a payload point

549
00:22:26,510 --> 00:22:24,120
of view person actually had discussions

550
00:22:27,950 --> 00:22:26,520
with Mound laboratory indicated that

551
00:22:30,529 --> 00:22:27,960
they were not comparable to any

552
00:22:32,570 --> 00:22:30,539
radioactive waste containers they're

553
00:22:34,370 --> 00:22:32,580
familiar with some years ago the

554
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University of Dayton Research Institute

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manufactured containers something like

556
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the one now under consideration in

557
00:22:43,430 --> 00:22:40,980
support of atomic tests in Nevada sounds

558
00:22:45,830 --> 00:22:43,440
reasonable however the project engineer

559
00:22:47,690 --> 00:22:45,840
on that program examined the sphere and

560
00:22:50,149 --> 00:22:47,700
he discounted it as being one of the

561
00:22:52,190 --> 00:22:50,159
type used by them in the end they were

562
00:22:54,890 --> 00:22:52,200
not able to establish the intended use

563
00:22:57,110 --> 00:22:54,900
of this device they did not land on a

564
00:22:59,500 --> 00:22:57,120
conclusion and this happened kind of a

565
00:23:09,669 --> 00:22:59,510
lot in the Blue Book days

566
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[Music]

567
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foreign

568
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[Music]

569
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foreign

570
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[Music]

571
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foreign

572
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[Music]

573
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foreign

574
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575
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foreign

576
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[Music]

577
00:27:44,539 --> 00:27:52,780
thank you

578
00:27:52,790 --> 00:28:06,950
[Music]

579
00:28:21,350 --> 00:28:11,510
foreign

580
00:28:21,360 --> 00:28:29,169
[Music]

581
00:28:35,149 --> 00:28:33,049
1960s were pretty interesting time in

582
00:28:38,450 --> 00:28:35,159
UFO history

583
00:28:40,850 --> 00:28:38,460
but what I'd like to talk about today is

584
00:28:43,730 --> 00:28:40,860
a case that happened in 1966 where

585
00:28:46,490 --> 00:28:43,740
police officers actually chased UFO for

586
00:28:49,430 --> 00:28:46,500
over 80 miles but that wasn't the only

587
00:28:51,529 --> 00:28:49,440
cop sighting around that time there were

588
00:28:53,630 --> 00:28:51,539
many the famous Lani Zamora case

589
00:28:55,909 --> 00:28:53,640
happened just two years prior and there

590
00:28:58,730 --> 00:28:55,919
were other cases that went all across

591
00:29:01,070 --> 00:28:58,740
the continental United States throughout

592
00:29:04,909 --> 00:29:01,080
the time span most of the story is about

593
00:29:06,830 --> 00:29:04,919
Dale Sparr who kind of took the lead on

594
00:29:09,830 --> 00:29:06,840
presenting this story to the public

595
00:29:11,390 --> 00:29:09,840
doing a lot of interviews with a lot of

596
00:29:13,850 --> 00:29:11,400
different people to the point of

597
00:29:17,090 --> 00:29:13,860
exhaustion now this isn't a happy ending

598
00:29:18,970 --> 00:29:17,100
but it is the reality of a lot of UFO

599
00:29:22,130 --> 00:29:18,980
experiences

600
00:29:24,889 --> 00:29:22,140
wksu news talked with deputies Barr and

601
00:29:28,190 --> 00:29:24,899
here now is his story this is only

602
00:29:30,049 --> 00:29:28,200
traffic that uh we heard was from Summit

603
00:29:31,909 --> 00:29:30,059
County Sheriff's Office

604
00:29:34,730 --> 00:29:31,919
it was uh

605
00:29:38,510 --> 00:29:34,740
just relayed by them that this lady had

606
00:29:40,669 --> 00:29:38,520
spotted a very bright object I've never

607
00:29:43,970 --> 00:29:40,679
read about flying saucers I've never

608
00:29:45,649 --> 00:29:43,980
been interested in them when I looked to

609
00:29:47,389 --> 00:29:45,659
the rear of my car which would be

610
00:29:50,870 --> 00:29:47,399
looking West

611
00:29:53,870 --> 00:29:50,880
I at first I'll never and I saw this

612
00:29:56,029 --> 00:29:53,880
bright object uh coming what would

613
00:29:59,389 --> 00:29:56,039
appear to be coming up

614
00:30:01,130 --> 00:29:59,399
from behind the trees real low and very

615
00:30:03,409 --> 00:30:01,140
bright

616
00:30:06,350 --> 00:30:03,419
and at first I

617
00:30:08,810 --> 00:30:06,360
I started to tell my partner what I seen

618
00:30:10,549 --> 00:30:08,820
and they kept getting bigger and closer

619
00:30:13,690 --> 00:30:10,559
and then they asked him if he would turn

620
00:30:15,350 --> 00:30:13,700
and look over his shoulder

621
00:30:19,549 --> 00:30:15,360
I don't know if I was having

622
00:30:21,909 --> 00:30:19,559
hallucinations or not uh

623
00:30:25,070 --> 00:30:21,919
he did a double take on it and

624
00:30:27,590 --> 00:30:25,080
this thing kept coming or evidently

625
00:30:29,389 --> 00:30:27,600
wasn't any way for us to stop it

626
00:30:31,909 --> 00:30:29,399
Tim and I were completely illuminated

627
00:30:33,590 --> 00:30:31,919
there was no difficulty in seeing each

628
00:30:35,990 --> 00:30:33,600
other it was as bright as though there

629
00:30:39,529 --> 00:30:36,000
was full sunlight

630
00:30:43,430 --> 00:30:39,539
I froze for a minute I uh I was actually

631
00:30:45,889 --> 00:30:43,440
petrified I suppose I hesitated nothing

632
00:30:48,310 --> 00:30:45,899
happened I you know didn't start

633
00:30:50,750 --> 00:30:48,320
catching on fire

634
00:30:53,750 --> 00:30:50,760
I had the feeling that I want something

635
00:30:55,010 --> 00:30:53,760
between whatever this thing was in

636
00:30:56,870 --> 00:30:55,020
myself

637
00:30:59,269 --> 00:30:56,880
I

638
00:31:01,269 --> 00:30:59,279
went for the cruiser and took money at

639
00:31:04,909 --> 00:31:01,279
the same time

640
00:31:07,970 --> 00:31:04,919
I got in in my first thought was as we

641
00:31:09,529 --> 00:31:07,980
roll a boo-boo now we have we were right

642
00:31:11,029 --> 00:31:09,539
here if anything happens we can't do

643
00:31:14,090 --> 00:31:11,039
anything

644
00:31:16,909 --> 00:31:14,100
I was waiting for the shock to go away a

645
00:31:18,710 --> 00:31:16,919
little bit I uh it's very large I'd say

646
00:31:21,470 --> 00:31:18,720
it could be between

647
00:31:24,470 --> 00:31:21,480
the first observation the minimum would

648
00:31:26,750 --> 00:31:24,480
have been 30 feet I would suggested to

649
00:31:27,590 --> 00:31:26,760
be closer to 50 feet across the base of

650
00:31:30,769 --> 00:31:27,600
it

651
00:31:32,210 --> 00:31:30,779
probably 18 foot in depth only one

652
00:31:35,149 --> 00:31:32,220
slight hum in the area

653
00:31:37,630 --> 00:31:35,159
observing it we did not have a camera

654
00:31:40,669 --> 00:31:37,640
Sergeant show and fellow advised me that

655
00:31:42,409 --> 00:31:40,679
if at all possible to follow the vehicle

656
00:31:43,610 --> 00:31:42,419
to pursue it or keep it under

657
00:31:46,070 --> 00:31:43,620
surveillance

658
00:31:48,470 --> 00:31:46,080
I could get some cars or some camera

659
00:31:50,029 --> 00:31:48,480
equipment or a photographer out there to

660
00:31:52,370 --> 00:31:50,039
take a photograph

661
00:31:53,269 --> 00:31:52,380
and if at all possible try to identify

662
00:31:55,130 --> 00:31:53,279
it

663
00:31:57,529 --> 00:31:55,140
Sergeant advised me to do this we

664
00:31:59,330 --> 00:31:57,539
started moving with the vehicle and give

665
00:32:01,370 --> 00:31:59,340
you a feeling of it was watching you

666
00:32:03,649 --> 00:32:01,380
watch it you know and at this time the

667
00:32:05,870 --> 00:32:03,659
vehicle was directly behind us or this

668
00:32:07,789 --> 00:32:05,880
object or whatever you want to call it

669
00:32:11,389 --> 00:32:07,799
or maintain another two to the amount

670
00:32:13,130 --> 00:32:11,399
time about 200 250 feet the illumination

671
00:32:15,529 --> 00:32:13,140
from it did light to ground underneath

672
00:32:18,110 --> 00:32:15,539
of it I increased the speed

673
00:32:20,570 --> 00:32:18,120
the vehicle went to 103 miles an hour

674
00:32:21,950 --> 00:32:20,580
ground speed the vehicle would slow down

675
00:32:25,070 --> 00:32:21,960
and wait for us

676
00:32:27,830 --> 00:32:25,080
and it would increase its speed again to

677
00:32:30,590 --> 00:32:27,840
103. as long as we watched the maneuver

678
00:32:32,870 --> 00:32:30,600
we watched it gain and lose altitude it

679
00:32:35,990 --> 00:32:32,880
goes through a different uh procedures

680
00:32:39,470 --> 00:32:36,000
of through its travels

681
00:32:41,690 --> 00:32:39,480
it went straight up in a vertical flight

682
00:32:44,450 --> 00:32:41,700
we watched an airliner fly underneath of

683
00:32:48,169 --> 00:32:44,460
it but uh probably our Boeing I would

684
00:32:51,230 --> 00:32:48,179
believe it to be a 707 link extinct

685
00:32:54,049 --> 00:32:51,240
projection on the whole thing was what I

686
00:32:57,830 --> 00:32:54,059
would say was about 15 20 feet long I

687
00:32:59,570 --> 00:32:57,840
described it as an antenna and three of

688
00:33:03,049 --> 00:32:59,580
us made the same observation while it

689
00:33:06,669 --> 00:33:03,059
wasn't fly a metallic uh I assume it to

690
00:33:09,830 --> 00:33:06,679
be a metallic it was a vehicle

691
00:33:13,070 --> 00:33:09,840
it is a made thing or a manufactured

692
00:33:14,210 --> 00:33:13,080
thing I feel that if it's ours it's a

693
00:33:16,190 --> 00:33:14,220
pretty good trick

694
00:33:17,870 --> 00:33:16,200
if it isn't we got a problem after doing

695
00:33:19,970 --> 00:33:17,880
some research myself I actually found

696
00:33:22,130 --> 00:33:19,980
this article on trail of the saucers

697
00:33:25,490 --> 00:33:22,140
written by Jeff Patterson who actually

698
00:33:27,710 --> 00:33:25,500
did a wonderful job capturing all the

699
00:33:30,230 --> 00:33:27,720
important details of the case I want to

700
00:33:32,450 --> 00:33:30,240
use this right up this article for kind

701
00:33:34,430 --> 00:33:32,460
of the backbone of the story

702
00:33:37,730 --> 00:33:34,440
but I'll add some interesting pieces as

703
00:33:39,889 --> 00:33:37,740
we go something happened to Dale Pilots

704
00:33:42,230 --> 00:33:39,899
have learned to avoid reporting UFOs

705
00:33:44,990 --> 00:33:42,240
because of the stigma that has existed

706
00:33:48,470 --> 00:33:45,000
in this topic for so long but in the 60s

707
00:33:51,289 --> 00:33:48,480
the police had to learn the lesson

708
00:33:53,630 --> 00:33:51,299
about staying quiet the hard way

709
00:33:57,130 --> 00:33:53,640
Dale Sparr was a perfect example of that

710
00:34:00,649 --> 00:33:57,140
just before Dawn on Sunday April 17

711
00:34:03,289 --> 00:34:00,659
1966 police officers pursued a UFO for

712
00:34:05,990 --> 00:34:03,299
nearly 90 minutes at speeds up to 100

713
00:34:10,129 --> 00:34:06,000
miles per hour the incident inspired the

714
00:34:11,990 --> 00:34:10,139
scene in Steven Spielberg's 1977 film

715
00:34:16,970 --> 00:34:12,000
classic Close Encounters of the Third

716
00:34:19,369 --> 00:34:16,980
Kind William Wetzel of nicap actually

717
00:34:22,849 --> 00:34:19,379
made this one of the best or more

718
00:34:25,730 --> 00:34:22,859
well-known cases of the time and he also

719
00:34:28,070 --> 00:34:25,740
made it one of the best documented cases

720
00:34:31,849 --> 00:34:28,080
but all the persistence wound up feeling

721
00:34:34,129 --> 00:34:31,859
kind of futile as a Hector Quintanilla

722
00:34:36,349 --> 00:34:34,139
of Project Blue Book really wasn't

723
00:34:37,669 --> 00:34:36,359
showing any interest at all in this case

724
00:34:40,070 --> 00:34:37,679
in fact

725
00:34:43,849 --> 00:34:40,080
when it was reported even though it was

726
00:34:45,889 --> 00:34:43,859
in Ohio the same state he's located he

727
00:34:47,210 --> 00:34:45,899
didn't even drive there to go look at

728
00:34:49,250 --> 00:34:47,220
the scene or interview the different

729
00:34:51,349 --> 00:34:49,260
Witnesses although there were different

730
00:34:53,149 --> 00:34:51,359
saucer organizations doing that pretty

731
00:34:55,609 --> 00:34:53,159
quickly and that could be a reason why

732
00:34:57,190 --> 00:34:55,619
he hated going up against them as they

733
00:34:59,570 --> 00:34:57,200
always made him look pretty bad

734
00:35:02,030 --> 00:34:59,580
eventually he would actually go and

735
00:35:04,670 --> 00:35:02,040
entertain an interview that didn't go so

736
00:35:08,030 --> 00:35:04,680
well and no matter what despite credible

737
00:35:10,190 --> 00:35:08,040
witness testimony multiple Witnesses

738
00:35:13,190 --> 00:35:10,200
the ridicule for telling this story

739
00:35:16,730 --> 00:35:13,200
would just be pure punishment especially

740
00:35:18,770 --> 00:35:16,740
for this guy now Dale Sparr felt kind of

741
00:35:21,050 --> 00:35:18,780
cheated in the whole situation he was

742
00:35:25,069 --> 00:35:21,060
the one that really led the whole police

743
00:35:26,930 --> 00:35:25,079
chase of this UFO and it wasn't even his

744
00:35:28,730 --> 00:35:26,940
decision he reported it into a police

745
00:35:30,950 --> 00:35:28,740
station and they told him to keep

746
00:35:33,410 --> 00:35:30,960
following it so people could have time

747
00:35:35,930 --> 00:35:33,420
to grab cameras and catch up to it and

748
00:35:38,089 --> 00:35:35,940
document it but he felt betrayed because

749
00:35:41,089 --> 00:35:38,099
he was the one sent out to figure out

750
00:35:42,910 --> 00:35:41,099
what this thing was he gets cast into

751
00:35:45,710 --> 00:35:42,920
the public Limelight

752
00:35:49,010 --> 00:35:45,720
subsequently his life is the one that

753
00:35:51,349 --> 00:35:49,020
gets ruined because of this experience

754
00:35:53,690 --> 00:35:51,359
and I don't blame him three other

755
00:35:55,970 --> 00:35:53,700
officers actually saw the UFO that night

756
00:35:58,550 --> 00:35:55,980
and others chased the UFO that night but

757
00:36:00,589 --> 00:35:58,560
Hector Quintanilla of Project Blue Book

758
00:36:03,770 --> 00:36:00,599
seemed for whatever reason to Signal out

759
00:36:05,329 --> 00:36:03,780
Spar now why would he single out Spar I

760
00:36:06,530 --> 00:36:05,339
haven't really been able to figure that

761
00:36:09,050 --> 00:36:06,540
out

762
00:36:12,410 --> 00:36:09,060
perhaps it's easier to debunk one

763
00:36:15,349 --> 00:36:12,420
witness than a lot of witnesses Dale was

764
00:36:17,510 --> 00:36:15,359
actually seemed the most willing to come

765
00:36:19,069 --> 00:36:17,520
forward and tell a story and that could

766
00:36:22,010 --> 00:36:19,079
also be a recent way

767
00:36:24,290 --> 00:36:22,020
the others seem more apt to just be

768
00:36:25,910 --> 00:36:24,300
quiet and not talk about it which is how

769
00:36:28,849 --> 00:36:25,920
the Air Force preferred it another

770
00:36:32,990 --> 00:36:28,859
reason he felt kind of betrayed is

771
00:36:35,510 --> 00:36:33,000
because he was driving recklessly at a

772
00:36:37,550 --> 00:36:35,520
hundred mile an hour speeds

773
00:36:40,490 --> 00:36:37,560
he felt he was putting his life on the

774
00:36:42,890 --> 00:36:40,500
line to identify this object just to be

775
00:36:45,829 --> 00:36:42,900
left in the dust he was shook up he was

776
00:36:47,630 --> 00:36:45,839
afraid he was in a trench when he saw

777
00:36:49,849 --> 00:36:47,640
the object he looked at his partner

778
00:36:52,430 --> 00:36:49,859
William neef

779
00:36:55,190 --> 00:36:52,440
and said his face was completely pale

780
00:36:56,990 --> 00:36:55,200
imagine testifying in court and being

781
00:36:59,930 --> 00:36:57,000
tormented with things like hey aren't

782
00:37:01,609 --> 00:36:59,940
you the one that saw Venus and chased it

783
00:37:03,710 --> 00:37:01,619
for nearly 90 miles

784
00:37:06,230 --> 00:37:03,720
quite embarrassing how can you ever be

785
00:37:08,930 --> 00:37:06,240
taken seriously again things would only

786
00:37:11,450 --> 00:37:08,940
get worse for poorest bar you know he

787
00:37:13,550 --> 00:37:11,460
was an Air Force veteran and he worked a

788
00:37:15,349 --> 00:37:13,560
day job in construction and night as a

789
00:37:18,410 --> 00:37:15,359
police officer just to take care of his

790
00:37:20,089 --> 00:37:18,420
wife and kids and by August 1st

791
00:37:22,310 --> 00:37:20,099
that was all gone

792
00:37:24,349 --> 00:37:22,320
his wife was actually quoted as saying

793
00:37:27,109 --> 00:37:24,359
something happened to Dale but I don't

794
00:37:28,970 --> 00:37:27,119
know what it was she said he came home

795
00:37:31,250 --> 00:37:28,980
that day and I never saw him more

796
00:37:33,770 --> 00:37:31,260
frightened before he acted strange

797
00:37:34,609 --> 00:37:33,780
listless you just sat around he looked

798
00:37:36,589 --> 00:37:34,619
pale

799
00:37:39,170 --> 00:37:36,599
all sorts of people were coming over to

800
00:37:41,390 --> 00:37:39,180
the house investigators random people

801
00:37:44,450 --> 00:37:41,400
just interviewing him interrogating them

802
00:37:48,470 --> 00:37:44,460
running them into the ground taking

803
00:37:51,770 --> 00:37:48,480
every last ounce of energy that he had

804
00:37:53,750 --> 00:37:51,780
and he changed as people often do after

805
00:37:55,430 --> 00:37:53,760
dramatic experiences

806
00:37:57,530 --> 00:37:55,440
like Dale had

807
00:37:59,810 --> 00:37:57,540
then later I guess he got real nervous

808
00:38:01,609 --> 00:37:59,820
and he would disappear for days at a

809
00:38:03,710 --> 00:38:01,619
time and his wife couldn't handle that

810
00:38:07,609 --> 00:38:03,720
anymore and she left

811
00:38:10,130 --> 00:38:07,619
and apparently they didn't just break up

812
00:38:11,810 --> 00:38:10,140
it got pretty bad one night Dale came

813
00:38:14,870 --> 00:38:11,820
home and he was in a really

814
00:38:16,609 --> 00:38:14,880
bad mood and he grabbed her

815
00:38:18,050 --> 00:38:16,619
grabbed her hard and shook her and left

816
00:38:20,089 --> 00:38:18,060
bruises

817
00:38:22,490 --> 00:38:20,099
not acceptable

818
00:38:24,109 --> 00:38:22,500
and that's how he lost his badge the

819
00:38:26,030 --> 00:38:24,119
cops were called on him and he spent a

820
00:38:28,130 --> 00:38:26,040
night in jail and they stripped it from

821
00:38:29,870 --> 00:38:28,140
him and when he got out of jail he ran

822
00:38:32,569 --> 00:38:29,880
away he left his whole life behind his

823
00:38:34,849 --> 00:38:32,579
wife and his kids

824
00:38:36,770 --> 00:38:34,859
Spire was haunted by nightmares for the

825
00:38:38,870 --> 00:38:36,780
rest of his life apparently this person

826
00:38:40,910 --> 00:38:38,880
named a Groot tracked him down and was

827
00:38:43,430 --> 00:38:40,920
able to ask him some questions at him

828
00:38:45,410 --> 00:38:43,440
some Slammy Motel he was staying at and

829
00:38:47,690 --> 00:38:45,420
he said he had nightly sweating dreams

830
00:38:50,630 --> 00:38:47,700
that were kind of a mixture of

831
00:38:53,569 --> 00:38:50,640
bizarre fantasy and reality in those

832
00:38:56,870 --> 00:38:53,579
dreams Spire lived the chase over and

833
00:38:58,010 --> 00:38:56,880
over textbook post-traumatic stress

834
00:39:00,410 --> 00:38:58,020
disorder

835
00:39:02,690 --> 00:39:00,420
and look how people treated him during

836
00:39:04,790 --> 00:39:02,700
those years Barr's life completely

837
00:39:06,650 --> 00:39:04,800
bottomed out he aired his back so he

838
00:39:09,650 --> 00:39:06,660
couldn't work anymore he couldn't pay

839
00:39:10,910 --> 00:39:09,660
his child support his parking tickets so

840
00:39:13,310 --> 00:39:10,920
he went to jail

841
00:39:15,470 --> 00:39:13,320
his car was repossessed he couldn't

842
00:39:17,030 --> 00:39:15,480
afford his motel room and so he actually

843
00:39:19,310 --> 00:39:17,040
lived on the streets for a little while

844
00:39:21,290 --> 00:39:19,320
he would become known as the cop who

845
00:39:24,109 --> 00:39:21,300
chased a flying saucer and literally

846
00:39:25,430 --> 00:39:24,119
lost his mind all because he followed an

847
00:39:28,790 --> 00:39:25,440
order

848
00:39:30,410 --> 00:39:28,800
doing what a good cop would do and maybe

849
00:39:32,870 --> 00:39:30,420
his life turned around for the better it

850
00:39:34,910 --> 00:39:32,880
was around 1977 that someone finally

851
00:39:37,250 --> 00:39:34,920
caught up to him and they did a full

852
00:39:39,170 --> 00:39:37,260
feature interview on a story and he had

853
00:39:41,569 --> 00:39:39,180
remarried he moved back to Virginia

854
00:39:43,370 --> 00:39:41,579
where he was born him and his wife took

855
00:39:44,990 --> 00:39:43,380
over a tiny taxi company in the

856
00:39:47,210 --> 00:39:45,000
neighborhood and they both worked for

857
00:39:50,089 --> 00:39:47,220
the regional Ambulance Service as well

858
00:39:52,550 --> 00:39:50,099
spire's signature crew cut was gone his

859
00:39:54,650 --> 00:39:52,560
hair and sideburns were longer he'd

860
00:39:55,730 --> 00:39:54,660
grown a mustache but he was still

861
00:39:57,890 --> 00:39:55,740
haunted

862
00:39:59,329 --> 00:39:57,900
with what he'd been through Von

863
00:40:02,150 --> 00:39:59,339
Sternberg

864
00:40:03,650 --> 00:40:02,160
who interviewed him at one point wrote

865
00:40:05,870 --> 00:40:03,660
although there are nights in the

866
00:40:08,569 --> 00:40:05,880
mountains are on instead when it seems

867
00:40:10,490 --> 00:40:08,579
you can almost touch the Stars

868
00:40:12,710 --> 00:40:10,500
Spire says he doesn't look at the sky

869
00:40:15,589 --> 00:40:12,720
very much anymore

870
00:40:17,530 --> 00:40:15,599
now there are other people that saw and

871
00:40:19,250 --> 00:40:17,540
witnessed this as well

872
00:40:21,829 --> 00:40:19,260
including

873
00:40:23,990 --> 00:40:21,839
spar's partner neef

874
00:40:26,030 --> 00:40:24,000
when he talked to investigators

875
00:40:28,190 --> 00:40:26,040
apparently he tried downplaying the

876
00:40:29,990 --> 00:40:28,200
incident but his wife would tell a

877
00:40:31,849 --> 00:40:30,000
different story I hope I never see him

878
00:40:34,310 --> 00:40:31,859
like he was after the Chase he was real

879
00:40:35,390 --> 00:40:34,320
white almost in his State of Shock it

880
00:40:37,490 --> 00:40:35,400
was awful

881
00:40:39,170 --> 00:40:37,500
and people made fun of him afterwards he

882
00:40:41,990 --> 00:40:39,180
never talks about it anymore

883
00:40:44,569 --> 00:40:42,000
once he told me if that thing landed in

884
00:40:46,609 --> 00:40:44,579
my backyard I wouldn't tell a soul at

885
00:40:48,470 --> 00:40:46,619
some point Neve moved to Florida the

886
00:40:49,970 --> 00:40:48,480
Associated Press tried to find him for a

887
00:40:52,430 --> 00:40:49,980
follow-up story in 72 but couldn't

888
00:40:55,250 --> 00:40:52,440
locate him alternative weekly Cleveland

889
00:40:57,410 --> 00:40:55,260
Scene in 2004 neef stood by his story

890
00:41:00,230 --> 00:40:57,420
but he still preferred not to talk about

891
00:41:02,270 --> 00:41:00,240
it he said when I left Ohio I got away

892
00:41:05,930 --> 00:41:02,280
from it all now we have out of East

893
00:41:08,630 --> 00:41:05,940
Palestine Ohio patrolman Wayne Hudson

894
00:41:11,089 --> 00:41:08,640
actually joined Spira Neve in the

895
00:41:13,130 --> 00:41:11,099
pursuit as it came by his jurisdiction

896
00:41:15,290 --> 00:41:13,140
on the way to Pennsylvania patrolman

897
00:41:17,569 --> 00:41:15,300
Wayne Hudson actually joined knife

898
00:41:20,030 --> 00:41:17,579
Inspire on the pursuit is it went

899
00:41:21,650 --> 00:41:20,040
through his jurisdiction through East

900
00:41:23,990 --> 00:41:21,660
Palestine Ohio on the way to

901
00:41:26,270 --> 00:41:24,000
Pennsylvania Hudson also worked two jobs

902
00:41:28,010 --> 00:41:26,280
to support his wife and kids for two

903
00:41:29,810 --> 00:41:28,020
weeks after the Chase he was ridiculed

904
00:41:31,490 --> 00:41:29,820
he got phone calls of people making fun

905
00:41:34,430 --> 00:41:31,500
of him every time he left the house he

906
00:41:36,470 --> 00:41:34,440
was ridiculed on top of that the mayor

907
00:41:38,630 --> 00:41:36,480
and the city police chief were really

908
00:41:41,810 --> 00:41:38,640
upset with him for leaving this city

909
00:41:44,030 --> 00:41:41,820
limits to go on this UFO Chase

910
00:41:47,750 --> 00:41:44,040
and it's unfortunate because he used to

911
00:41:50,150 --> 00:41:47,760
be one of the top cops in the area he

912
00:41:52,970 --> 00:41:50,160
actually wound up changing his name to

913
00:41:56,050 --> 00:41:52,980
avoid publicity and moved to Seattle and

914
00:41:58,670 --> 00:41:56,060
he was a bus driver for 30 years

915
00:42:00,890 --> 00:41:58,680
apparently he was caught up with in 2002

916
00:42:02,450 --> 00:42:00,900
for a rerun of the story he was polite

917
00:42:04,130 --> 00:42:02,460
but he didn't want anything to do with

918
00:42:05,630 --> 00:42:04,140
it there was also patrolman Frank

919
00:42:07,670 --> 00:42:05,640
panzanella

920
00:42:10,190 --> 00:42:07,680
who joined on the chase towards the end

921
00:42:11,930 --> 00:42:10,200
of it after cooperating with

922
00:42:14,470 --> 00:42:11,940
investigators initially he dropped it

923
00:42:18,829 --> 00:42:14,480
never spoke again about it and actually

924
00:42:20,329 --> 00:42:18,839
turned out being a detective in 1972 I

925
00:42:21,950 --> 00:42:20,339
guess he told reporters that he saw

926
00:42:23,390 --> 00:42:21,960
something he just didn't know what it

927
00:42:25,910 --> 00:42:23,400
was and that was the end of it for him

928
00:42:27,410 --> 00:42:25,920
he said I figured if it belonged to the

929
00:42:28,730 --> 00:42:27,420
government fine and if it didn't I'd

930
00:42:30,890 --> 00:42:28,740
leave it to them to figure it out

931
00:42:33,650 --> 00:42:30,900
completely declined a request for an

932
00:42:36,170 --> 00:42:33,660
interview in 2004. Portage County

933
00:42:38,569 --> 00:42:36,180
Sheriff Raza dustman publicly defended

934
00:42:40,670 --> 00:42:38,579
the police for what they reported

935
00:42:43,849 --> 00:42:40,680
against the Air Force's Venus

936
00:42:46,490 --> 00:42:43,859
explanation all spring and summer

937
00:42:48,530 --> 00:42:46,500
but that fall he lost his bid for a

938
00:42:51,650 --> 00:42:48,540
fourth term of sheriff ending his

939
00:42:53,990 --> 00:42:51,660
20-year career his 1972 attempt at a

940
00:42:56,990 --> 00:42:54,000
comeback was also unsuccessful and he

941
00:42:59,510 --> 00:42:57,000
died the next year in 1973. Spar had it

942
00:43:01,550 --> 00:42:59,520
real rough he was quoted as saying he'll

943
00:43:03,770 --> 00:43:01,560
go to his grave saying he saw what he

944
00:43:05,750 --> 00:43:03,780
saw he can live with that saucer but he

945
00:43:08,210 --> 00:43:05,760
can't live without truth and all he

946
00:43:10,010 --> 00:43:08,220
really wanted was for the facts to be

947
00:43:11,990 --> 00:43:10,020
accepted as they were not The

948
00:43:13,970 --> 00:43:12,000
Sensational aspects of the stories that

949
00:43:16,550 --> 00:43:13,980
people were trying to tell just the

950
00:43:18,589 --> 00:43:16,560
facts that he told in his interview in

951
00:43:20,930 --> 00:43:18,599
the many interviews that he did and this

952
00:43:23,270 --> 00:43:20,940
is really just a perfect example of how

953
00:43:25,490 --> 00:43:23,280
the public treats people who see and

954
00:43:28,069 --> 00:43:25,500
Report UFOs and the stigma that we're

955
00:43:33,050 --> 00:43:28,079
fighting up against to this day that's

956
00:43:35,630 --> 00:43:33,060
lasted for decades this was in 1965 this

957
00:43:39,470 --> 00:43:35,640
man's life and other people's lives

958
00:43:42,890 --> 00:43:39,480
were at least altered dramatically

959
00:43:46,730 --> 00:43:42,900
spiers was destroyed because he reported

960
00:43:50,450 --> 00:43:46,740
a UFO the public the Twitter of those

961
00:43:53,569 --> 00:43:50,460
days trolled him to death and now NASA

962
00:43:55,910 --> 00:43:53,579
is bringing up public ridicule ridicule

963
00:43:59,510 --> 00:43:55,920
from colleagues because they're studying

964
00:44:01,130 --> 00:43:59,520
the topic NASA people grow up there are

965
00:44:03,050 --> 00:44:01,140
things in the sky and we don't know what

966
00:44:05,990 --> 00:44:03,060
they are you don't have to freak out

967
00:44:07,730 --> 00:44:06,000
about it just let people study it

968
00:44:10,010 --> 00:44:07,740
if you're not interested don't pay

969
00:44:11,630 --> 00:44:10,020
attention so thanks for joining me I

970
00:44:15,349 --> 00:44:11,640
hope you enjoyed that piece of back in

971
00:44:18,470 --> 00:44:15,359
time we had a lot to go over with that

972
00:44:19,970 --> 00:44:18,480
case because it's just so thorough and

973
00:44:24,530 --> 00:44:19,980
rich in detail

974
00:44:27,109 --> 00:44:24,540
and it's such an important example

975
00:44:29,809 --> 00:44:27,119
um what Project Blue Book was all about

976
00:44:32,270 --> 00:44:29,819
and what it created with the public

977
00:44:34,490 --> 00:44:32,280
and why we're here now still fighting

978
00:44:36,290 --> 00:44:34,500
stigma it's not the experiencer's fault

979
00:44:37,670 --> 00:44:36,300
it's not the witness's fault you know

980
00:44:40,190 --> 00:44:37,680
seeing something like that is hard

981
00:44:42,950 --> 00:44:40,200
enough to live with those thoughts

982
00:44:45,290 --> 00:44:42,960
whenever you recollect them not a

983
00:44:47,809 --> 00:44:45,300
hundred percent in pure belief of what

984
00:44:50,329 --> 00:44:47,819
you saw or experienced

985
00:44:52,550 --> 00:44:50,339
on top of it people making fun of you

986
00:44:54,410 --> 00:44:52,560
the rest of your life for it and I don't

987
00:44:56,870 --> 00:44:54,420
know what the answer is other than just

988
00:44:59,450 --> 00:44:56,880
dig deep within yourself

989
00:45:04,550 --> 00:44:59,460
as deep as you can

990
00:45:09,650 --> 00:45:08,089
and use it against

991
00:45:11,930 --> 00:45:09,660
and for everyone

992
00:45:13,609 --> 00:45:11,940
even your enemies

993
00:45:15,349 --> 00:45:13,619
so thanks for watching this episode guys

994
00:45:17,150 --> 00:45:15,359
I hope you had a good time I think that

995
00:45:19,190 --> 00:45:17,160
was a real impactful case some lessons

996
00:45:20,990 --> 00:45:19,200
to be learned and take with us

997
00:45:23,569 --> 00:45:21,000
and this is the kind of stuff that we

998
00:45:26,089 --> 00:45:23,579
can't forget moving forward because it's

999
00:45:26,990 --> 00:45:26,099
key that we understand why we're in this

1000
00:45:29,089 --> 00:45:27,000
position

1001
00:45:30,290 --> 00:45:29,099
and this is one of the reasons this is a

1002
00:45:32,270 --> 00:45:30,300
great story

1003
00:45:34,309 --> 00:45:32,280
and this is the sort of thing we have to

1004
00:45:38,020 --> 00:45:34,319
try to avoid moving forward thanks I'm

1005
00:46:15,660 --> 00:45:38,030
your host Sean Rush Peace Love adios

1006
00:46:15,670 --> 00:46:19,730
[Music]

1007
00:46:19,740 --> 00:46:23,570
thank you